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im sure this has been discussed before.But i was wondering whats the easiest way to tie leader knots with 80lb an 100lb seaguer leader material!Ive been using an improved clinch knot but man its a pain in the ass to tie.It always seems to wanna spread apart when i really pull the knot together,doesnt wanna stay compact.And ive been melting the tag end so it helps from pulling threw.Im just worrie bc it doesnt look to good.But ive had one person on eithier side pulling as hard as the can an it doesnt slip at all so maybe im ok.Thanks alot guys.
thanks lehighmuskies/ happy hookers :-*
April 29, 2007
I made my own 80lb flouro leaders for a few years, and tied the flouro to the swivel with a Palomar knot, it works most of the time with some lubricant. But not all the time! I have had some knots fail when really tightening it down and 80lb flouro is not heavy enough for muskie fishing! So, I stopped making my own fluro leaders.
Please listen to me on this one, if you want to use fourocarbon leaders, use Steath Tackle leaders! I'm talking from experience here. Use 130 lb. flouro leaders. I have caught all my fish this year with these leaders. Don't trust the 80 lb. flouro! It WILL fail you at some point, and it really sucks! Go with the best stuff out there, Steath 130lb. flouro leaders.
Buy the leaders pre made and tie them to the main line (I use 80 lb power pro). Tie them on with a Palomar knot, it's simple and solid as anything. You will have 100% confidense that the leader will hold up to the abuse of muskie fishing.
August 28, 2007
Stealth Leaders are fail proof!! They are crimped. tied and glued. They are worth the little money that they cost. I also have had 80lb floro bitten off like it was 2lb. 130lb is the way to go. Especially if you do any night fishing. I was into tying my own too but its to easy and fail proof to just go Stealth. Later on
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I also tie my own flouro leaders and it sounds to me like you are probably using too many wraps when you tie them. You have to reduce the amount of wraps when you tie heavier line. I use 3 wraps when ever I use 100lb or better line. Keep in mind, it is the friction created by the line contacting itself that provides the tightness, not the actual knot it's self. I tie knots all day in my business and depending on what you want from a certain knot application will tell you how to tie it.
I have used "Stealth" leaders and, they are very good (including his 80lb). But, I also tie my own and use leaders from 80lb-200lb, depending on what application I'm using it for. Some heavier leaders will cause baits to nose dive(Flouro sinks) and on some others it will deaden the action. I've been fishing for muskies for 15 years and have never had a leader (that wasn't crimped) fail on me. I have even fished for "Bluefish" with 80lb flouro without a bite off. And those fish will really destroy line. If you try to fish a "Rattle bait" or Small crankbait with a 130lb leader, your not going to have much luck IMO. If you do fish with the lighter weight leaders make sure you change them out at the first sign of wear. I would also back off on you drag a touch. I lost a low 50's tank on Hopatcong this year when the (Wolverine ring) on the bait failed (not the 80lb leader) because my drag was too tight. Hope this gives you another thought on your leader question. Good fishing. Pat
June 23, 2004
As you all know, I haven't caught a damn Muskie in two years (ouch). However, I do get out on the salt for 45-85 lb drum, 12-16 lb Blues, Striper of all sizes and others. I've never had a properly crimped 80lb flouro leader fail on any of those fish. My 48.5" Muskie as well as a number of others were all caught on flouro leaders that I crimped, with no failures. As Pat said, the trick is proper drag adjustment and checking the leaders often. Don't be afraid to cut the swivel off and dispose of the leader at the first sign of damage.
I love my titanium leaders, but the flouro leaders that I crimp still have an important place in my arsenal. As will all things that we make ourselves, a big fish caught on a hand made leader gives a certain amount of satisfaction.
Capt. Dieter Scheel http://www.BigDRiverGuide.com